Don’t You Love Living in America (A Facebook Discussion)
Hey everyone. I want to share yet another reason why we should love this country. I have my blogs feed to facebook via Networked Blogs. When my previous discussion, Immigration: The Black Sheep posted, this fired off a big discussion.
A few points: In someone else’s facebook comment they made the assumption that everyone speaking about illegal immigration was talking about Mexicans. I have no idea where they get this illogical assumption, so I point out that I don’t care if you are from England, France, Spain, I dislike you as an illegal immigrant the same.
Second point, at one point, apparently “JD” deleted his comment (though I had received it through email notification so I posted it back to the feed.
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JD commented on your post:
“Don’t be thankful if you don’t want to…that’s your problem to deal with.
I’m thankful for anyone who is willing to work hard and do a good job…no matter what plot of land they were born on.
I believe that the government’s immigration laws are racist and small-minded and need to be repealed.
The high costs of health care are not caused by immigrants…they are caused by over-zealous government regulations that restrict the marketplace and keep prices high to help protect a select few companies keep their government-created monopolies.
I’m very sorry if you feel that these good people are somehow stealing from you…the real thieves are government officials.
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Immigration: The Black Sheep
Good morning all. Can anyone tell I’m insulted? Don’t worry, I’m telling you now. So on facebook, some arrogant person posted that a classmate of mine needed to be THANKFUL (I’m going to repeat that — THANKFUL) for illegal immigrants. I am NOT thankful. And I wonder how “Amer
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JD
I don’t believe in the idea that people can be ” illegal”. Free people should be able to freely cross borders and not worry about being hunted down like animals.
Yesterday at 8:17pm
hmm I didn’t say hunt them like animals. I said *I* would be more than happy to GO OUT OF MY WAY to turn their information over to the authorities.
Yesterday at 8:55pm ·
HC
I believe the classmate was referring to “be thankful” in that they do the jobs for cheap that no one else wants to for cheap. I was surprised to learn just how much of the economy they affect by making things affordable to consumers, with the offset being social services not getting the expense back in income tax. My undergrad prof. is a big fan of the ripple effect in economics. Basically what I am trying to say, there would not be illegal workers if there was not a need and a way for the employers to shelter them.
13 hours ago ·
I think many ppl believe that only the illegals would do the farming but I think that many legal Americans don’t do farming simply because many of us grew up in families that did not farm so farming is foreign to us. Not that anybody would object to it, just that it is unfamiliar.
Of course my absolute FAVORITE example of all this insanity is cities who DEFY the federal government and refuse to hand over illegals, especially “religious” organizations who try and most likely quote their religious text as a excuse for BREAKING THE LAW.
Oh, and a side favorite: A few years ago on the news they interviewed students from Colorado — I think I don’t quite remember — about getting scholarships for college. So this girl was pathetically crying (I will always view crying as pathetic, regardless of gender) and whining that she will never get a scholarship because her family as well as her were here illegally. Oh, yeah and of course she was OBVIOUSLY entitled to free college education and us legal Americans need to give her and her family and hand out.
9 hours ago ·
And here’s another problem: hospitals in FL price gouge b/c they say “Well, you’re a LEGAL American, we will just take all your money to cover all these ILLEGALS we have been giving free medical care (of an entire spectrum, not just emergency care) to.”
So as a citizen of FL — somebody PLEASE tell me that I NEED to be THANKFUL for illegals. Come on, someone tell me that again. After all, they should be my new god, right?
By the way, I’m being sarcastic. Only an idiot (!baka!) should tell me I need to be thankful.
9 hours ago ·
@JD who said “”I’m thankful for anyone who is willing to work hard and do a good job…no matter what plot of land they were born on.
I believe that the government’s immigration laws are racist and small-minded.
The high costs of health care are not caused by immigrants…they are caused by over-zealous government regulations that restrict the marketplace and keep prices high to help protect a select few companies keep their government-created monopolies.
I’m very sorry if you feel that these good people are somehow stealing from you.
Don’t be thankful if you don’t want to…that’s your problem to deal with.”"
8 hours ago ·
JD
Don’t be thankful if you don’t want to…that’s your problem to deal with.
I’m thankful for anyone who is willing to work hard and do a good job…no matter what plot of land they were born on.
I believe that the government’s immigration laws are racist and small-minded and need to be repealed.
The high costs of health care are not caused by immigrants…they are caused by over-zealous government regulations that restrict the marketplace and keep prices high to help protect a select few companies keep their government-created monopolies.
I’m very sorry if you feel that these good people are somehow stealing from you…the real thieves are government officials.
8 hours ago ·
continued:
* how is the government racist? Have you EVER been to a foreign country and are you aware of some of them whose laws are SO MUCH less “friendly” than ours. Read this: in some countries, you will get KILLED or maimed to a similar point. Just fyi.
* yes, health care has its problems, but now that we will be apparently SOCIALIST, I suppose that will be fixed
* however the immigration problem does NOT help
* By the way, have you ever LIVED in FL? If not, you do not understand what I am talking about
8 hours ago ·
continued again:
* you say they are good. Are you aware of those who have been sheltered even when they have been involved in violent gang who rape, kill, severely maim, etc people? Have you heard of the people who have been killed via illegals traveling the wrong way on the highway to flee the authorities?
YES some of them are good, but are you so in love with them and wishing to protect them that you turned a blind eye to those that have repeatedly caused violence? In many cases, their mere status as illegals have caused others to shelter them regardless of THEIR CRIMES AGAINST FELLOW MAN.
And I have a “problem” excuse me, how many lovely illegals are going to be joining the military? Just wondering?
8 hours ago ·
And by the way, just so there is no confusion for you, I am not saying that the only illegal immigrants are Hispanic, as someone else apparently said. Just so this is crystal: I do not care if you are illegal from England, France, Spain, South Africa, where ever. I don’t like you.
And another point, for those charged with upholding the LAW.They must uphold the LAW and therefore NOT SHELTER PEOPLE WHO ARE HERE ILLEGALLY.
And by the way, assuming you are a legal citizen who has not lost your right to vote, please vote in people you don’t think are racist or whatever you are having an issue with. Because if you are eligible and you do not vote, you should not complain.
8 hours ago ·
JD
Haha…wow..you are all over the place…let’s take these one at a time…
-I can list many instances of government-instituted racism: the Japanese internment camps during WWII, the 100+ years of slavery that was written into the Constitution, the Rodney King hearings (where the white officers were found innocent)…I could go on.
-Telling me to visit another country is just a distraction from the point…the problems we are discussing exist here and now…not over there…wherever “there” may be.
-I totally disagree with any kind of government regulations against a free market. What makes you think that I’d somehow enjoy a socialist health care system?
-Hehe…this one is awesome…I’ve lived in FL for almost 40 years.
8 hours ago ·
JD
cont…
-I don’t assume that people are automatically bad…I usually give people the benefit of the doubt unless they are troublesome…then I leave them alone.
-Real criminals like rapists, murderers, etc should be punished..please don’t assume that just because someone is “illegal” that they will try to do one of these terrible things.
-Wow…I don’t even believe that the military should even exist…I don’t need them or even want them around…so this point is lost on me.
8 hours ago ·
JD
Like I said before…the law is a disgrace and needs to be repealed, not enforced. Occasionally, the government understands the errors that it makes and actually removes bad laws from the books..example, the prohibition against alcohol in the ’20s.
I stopped voting or participating in the system a long time ago when I realized that the government is completely illegitimate…I even threw away my census form.
8 hours ago ·
* yeah, there has been instances of racism, etc in the past, and I’m sure there are racists today even in the government. But that doesn’t mean all government persons are racist and the immigration laws are racist.
* I bring up other countries to point out that they are more strict in all laws including immigration. Surely if you think immigration should be a free reign thing, then aren’t you not liking the polices of these countries also? Also, last time I heard Australia will not allow the immigration of males over 55 — surely you object to this?
* second thought it is in a country’s right to decide what is right for its citizen, including limits on immigration
* I wasn’t saying you like socialism, just that it appears we are not getting socialism in our health care
* FL: sorry you have the same name as someone I know in the VA/NC area that’s why I asked
8 hours ago ·
* illegals and crime — yes, not all illegals commit crime (other than their very status here is illegal) but I was pointing out a FACT of several cases where people who happened to be here illegally did IN FACT commit those crimes and people sheltered them simply because those criminals were here illegally
* It was not a reflection on the criminal nature of illegal persons, it was a retelling of factual stories. Yes, obviously other than disobeying legal immigration law, those people do not necessarily break other laws.
* Military — well I’m a real big supporter. I ♥ my freedom I get in this country and I just could not have them without our government and the military. But, you live in a country where you can hate the government, hate the country, hate the military, and NOT get executed for that. At least you should appreciate that freedom?
8 hours ago ·
If the law is so wrong, it should be changed. You should write your Congressperson or Senator and tell them to do so. To not obey the law simply b/c you don’t like it is not an excuse.
Well, isn’t it lovely you have the right to choose not to vote?
But I don’t see your complaints against the government very legitimate when you do not participate in a way to get the change you would want.
But it is America. You can go overseas and tell everyone you’re an American, but the country sucks and continuing on to complain, because you have that freedom.
So YES you do have the right to complain and refuse to vote, etc, but honestly many people will probably not respect your complaints simply because you are in no way attempting to get the change you want.
And others I know would say move to another country. But surely you can appreciate the freedom you have to remain here and complain.
7 hours ago ·
JD
Calm down…calm down…you’ll get a brain hemmorage freaking out like that.
There have been plenty of cases where “legal” citizens have been protected by other “legal” citizens against arrest…these people are no better just because they are “legal”.
By simply putting the two thoughts together in the same thought, you are promoting the assumption that “illegals” equal “criminals”. So why even go down that line of reason?
I have the rights that I have: “complaining”, “not voting” and “despising the military” because I am a free man…not because I was born on this plot of land…or magically given freedom by pieces of paper that I never signed.
The only entity that has ever restricted my freedoms is the American government….and I’m supposed to be thankful for that?
Just a thought…it was illegal to hide Jews from the Nazis too…would you have broken that law as a good, law-abiding, military supporting German citizen? Assuming, of course, you were alive back then and able to make the choice.
7 hours ago ·
I am calm, I don’t know what you are implying.
And do I need to write in Japanese for you?
All illegals commit at least 1 crime: that is they are here illegally. In addition, some commit other crimes. I am stating events that were reported in some type of shelter illegal who are criminals (beyond their illegal status) ring that occurred a few years ago.
I realize you obviously have great affection for those who are of illegal status and do not like them in ANY circumstances connected to any crimes.
And yes, I do realize that legal citizens also rape people, kill them, etc, yes, that does happen. I know you assume I mean only illegal persons do these things.
6 hours ago ·
I never said you or any other American did not have the right to complain and yet not vote and to also hate the military. This is America you may hate everyone and everything including yourself.
What I pointed out was simple: yes, you DO have these rights. But many Americans (and possible those of other national citizenship) would not respect someone who dislikes things in the government yet does not appear to do anything to change it.
Yes, you don’t have to change anything. You don’t even need to try. But many will say that your arguments are weak when you don’t even try to do something to cause change.
Perhaps you ARE trying to change these things. If so, you have not said HOW you are trying this. I would be pretty interested to know how you plan on changing things if you choose not to vote or write your legislative representative.
6 hours ago ·
Nazi: First off, this would not have applied to me, as I am not German, do not, and never did live in Germany.
Second: Such a law was made by a mad (insane) dictator. Are you now implying that those in our government are insane?
Yes, laws should be followed, but obviously not in the case of the insane dictator. Also, it is really hard for you to judge. From what I understand, if these ppl were caught hiding persons from Nazis, they and their entire family were slaughtered. So, I suppose you are saying to them that they needed to hide those persons even if there was great death awaiting them and theirs?
6 hours ago ·
JD
“So, I suppose you are saying to them that they needed to hide those persons even if there was great death awaiting them and theirs?”
So, you would even follow a dreadful law like that…perhaps you are a lost cause…yes…I would hide them…because it would be the right thing to do…and I would probably be killed for it…C’est la Vie…
“Second: Such a law was made by a mad (insane) dictator. Are you now implying that those in our government are insane?”
Ding ding ding ding…she wins a prize folks!!!
Yes our government is rapidly becoming just as dangerous as the Nazi regime was. “When Hitler was appointed in January 1933, Germany was a democracy.” http://www.historylearningsite.co.uk/Nazi_Germany_dictatorship.htm
I say resist them now before they gain the same powers that started the Third Reich.
6 hours ago ·
JD
Oh..forgot to answer your question…
I am changing the way things are by refusing to participate in the system.
The government goons know all too well how to handle a violent individual, but peaceful non-cooperation is something they are ill-equipped to handle.
I plan to live out my life as a free person, and if the government really feels that threatened by me, they can show how evil they truly are by locking me up..or killing me…whatever they choose.
5 hours ago ·
No, I’m not saying I’d follow the Nazi law. I’m pointing out that even though some did not want to follow the law, some DID follow the law b/c they did not want to be killed along with their family.
5 hours ago ·
So, basically you are implying that our President, Barack Hussein Obama is the next Hitler?
5 hours ago ·
Frankly I don’t think ppl in the gov would lock you up? Why should they? I doubt they would care about someone like yourself. You don’t want to participate in the “system.” Okay, what makes you think that you are so important they would jail you for it? I doubt they care. You’re not the only one out there who thinks like you do. Surely there must be others in this vast country.
5 hours ago ·
Oh and btw, they would not kill you anyway. I said that is what happens in some other countries. And that’s another freedom you should be grateful for. But apparently you hate all the freedoms here. That is, again, your right.
5 hours ago ·
(meant to say lock you up with a “.” not a “?”)
5 hours ago ·
JD
Perhaps Obama is the next Hitler…frankly, I don’t even care. The government will do what the government will do…no matter what I think anyway.
5 hours ago ·
JD
I’m sure they will find plenty of “good reasons” to lock me up when I’ve stopped paying taxes.
4 hours ago ·
Okay so we’ve established that you apparently think everyone in the government is crazy and you believe that the gov will go out of its way to execute you … or you say at least lock you up.
Okay guys (my universal term for human beings, not gender specific), I’m leaving the rest of this discussion to you all should you want to comment.
I have exams and that’s where I’m focusing my time.
I am super happy and super thankful that I was born a citizen of this country and I ♥ living here.
Yeah, it’s nice to visit abroad, but it’s never anything like your home. And this is a great country to call home, even if you don’t appreciate any of the freedoms and opportunities here.
♥ USA ♥ our military
Thank you troops, I appreciate all that you do.
14 minutes ago
Immigration: The Black Sheep
Good morning all. Can anyone tell I’m insulted? Don’t worry, I’m telling you now. So on facebook, some arrogant person posted that a classmate of mine needed to be THANKFUL (I’m going to repeat that — THANKFUL) for illegal immigrants.
I am NOT thankful. And I wonder how “American” that “thankful” person is. I really don’t care about the sob story. There are SO many ways to legally immigrate and here is an HONORLESS way: get pregnant and pop out an “anchor” baby. Just remember to tell the kid WHY you had it. Those people rely on an amendment intended to get over some of the problems of legalizing citizenship from when this country used to have slavery. It was NOT intended as a biological and DISHONORABLE loophole around our legal immigration laws. (AHEM, no once again, I am NOT stating any legal advice.)
ATTENTION: Anyone here illegally in the US: DO NOT tell me or let me know. Perhaps I have not legal “duty” to tell the appropriate agency, but I WILL do so. You are here illegally? I do NOT like you.
I am very accepting of all sorts of persons, but I have 2 exceptions: 1) Persons who wish to murder and do extreme violence to others (pointing out this means not in self defense or defense of others) and 2) Persons who are here ILLEGALLY.
TO MY FELLOW LAW STUDENTS, TO LAWYERS AND OTHERS CHARGED WITH UPHOLDING THE LAW:
How can you excuse or pity illegal immigration? Those persons are BREAKING THE LAW and by trying to help them, you are VIOLATING YOUR OATH to uphold the law. So, remember that you have a DUTY to abide by the law. DO NOT BE EMOTIONALLY SWAYED. JUST BECAUSE SOMEONE HAS A SOB STORY DOES NOT MEAN IT MAKES IT OKAY TO BREAK THE LAW.
And once again, I may be a law student, but I point out, as I always do, that I am not giving legal advice here or acting like a lawyer. Here, I am appealing to an American’s patriotic duty.
